You wonder why people had a problem with gay marriage. You thought we were crazy saying that it will lead to people marrying their dogs, siblings, cousins…well, I don’t know if any of us thought they’d fight for the right to marry objects.
There was a story on Good Morning America today regarding a woman who had a commitment ceremony with the Eiffel tower to show her love for the tower.
“Objectum-Sexuality, or objectophilia, is an orientation to love objects. OS people feel a strong attraction towards objects possessing, in particular, certain geometry/function.”
Not surprising to me, but the Eiffel tower lady was from San Fransisco! There’s been another lady, Eija-Riitta Berliner-Mauer, that wed the Berlin wall in 1979. Ms. Berliner says that she fell in love with the structure when she first saw it on television when she was seven.
Here’s the link that will cover the two stories.
http://presurfer.blogspot.com/2008/06/objectum-sexuality.html
Wow, where does it end? How long 'til we have to recognize these marriages? The world has gone insane.
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ReplyDeleteI would marry my fish pole, or my Xbox 360
ReplyDeleteI guess fishing and video games do bring me more pleasure than my wife!!!!
ReplyDeleteObviously your wife, girlfriend or significant other doesn't read this blog or know your handle.
ReplyDeleteShhhhhhhh
ReplyDeletePook, LOF2G made a good point. If you don't draw a line on actions then anything goes. So are you OK with someone marrying a house or their sister or a 3 year old or a goat?
ReplyDeleteI don't really care who anyone marries.. You can marry your sister for all I care. If that is what flouts your boat, then good for you.
ReplyDeleteI really don't think anyone should have the moral authority to tell me what to do, or not do. As long as I'm not physical hurting anyone, then blank off. If you want 5 wives then, have fun.
So it's OK for a 45 year old man to marry your daughter or your wife to take another husband?
ReplyDeleteI might not be happy with it (daughter part) but if she is 18 years old, then she is an adult and can do what she wants. If my wife takes another husband, then I better be with an 20year Hottie. She can call me her daddy.
ReplyDeleteIf your an adult, then you can do what you want. I might not like it, but I'm now ones puppet master. If the same thing if my daughter turns out be be gay. Does that mean I disown her. (NO) I would still love her, and go to her wedding. I might not like it, but I'm not living that persons life. I just need to live my own life and keep my nose out of everyone else lives.
No your daughter is 3, what then?
ReplyDeleteWELCOME..... NO!!
ReplyDeleteUntil she is an adult, she is my property. =)~
After she turn 18 she is free to do what she wants. And we're not talking about kids, we're talking about adults and you want to control what other adults do with their lives.
So why should you have the moral authority to choose what two adults do with their lives? Our they hurting you physical? Our they putting your life in danger? Our they causing you suffering, and humiliation to the point it's painful?
Why do some adults get to choose what is right for other adults lives.
OK now we're getting somewhere. Nowhere did I state anything about adults. So you do have some limits or boundries you won't cross. So do I but mine are different than yours. So for you to say that you don't want to interfere in anyones life means any adults life. So you will interfere in peoples lives, I guess just not if they are under 18. So where do you get that magic number of 18? Why not 13 or why not 25?
ReplyDeleteThat's should be up to the State to choose. (i think) Each state should pick what age should be the legal age for an adult. If you don't like it then move, or vote that person out of office. I think the legal age should be 19, but that is just me.
ReplyDelete- I have the same problem with the drinking age. You can be trial in court as an adult, you can go to war as an adult, but you can't have a beer as an adult. (that's crap)
I'm asking you where you got 19? Your whole arguement has been we should be allowed to do whatever we want as long as it doesn't hurt someone else but you still have an age limit (Which goes against your arguement of being able to do what you want). Where does that age limit come from?
ReplyDeletePook said “That's should be up to the State to choose.” That raises so many questions. First, who is the state? In feudal time rule was the ruling monarch. Since we have gone from being rules by king to being ruled by the state, who is the state?
ReplyDeleteIn Nazi Germany it was the few fascists forcing will on the many. In communist Russia it was the few socialists doing the same thing. In America, it is supposed to be “we the people” who are the state. However, we the people don’t have the authority to force our will upon the minority when it violates the Constitution.
In any society you have norms and mores governing conduct within the society. Without these rules you wouldn’t have a society, you would have ciaos. There for you have to have someone making those decisions. You could have kings and queens, you could have fascists or socialist party members, our you can have we the people setting up the guidelines.
With kings and queens, fascists and socialists you have a small number of people deciding everything from the close you wear, the cars you drive, what you eat and drink and even if you live or die. It is the wants of the few that control the many. In we the people you have more of an opportunity for the masses to have a say. Unlike the other systems of society, you can stand up and say that you don’t think say “gay marriage” is right. Or, you can stand up and say that you don’t think denying gays the right to wed is right Both can speak there piece without having to worry about the government coming and taking them away.
Society says that you have to stop at the stop sign before go on. It may be 3:00 am and no one else in coming but that doesn’t give you the right to just blow through the stop sign. If a cop is parked around the corner, pulls you over and gives you a ticket, I don’t think the judge would care that it was 3:00am and no one was coming. I also don’t think that he would buy that you don’t feel other people have a right to force their views on you. After all, no one was hurt.
If you buy yourself some property up in the mountains, away from everyone else, you might be able to live your life as you see fit with no one telling you what to do. If you want to be a part of society, enjoy the roads, stores, hospitals, etc. you have to give up some of you freedom. You can’t run down the sidewalk naked, you can’t drive 100 mph in a school zone, you can’t relieve yourself in a public park.
Someone, somewhere has to draw a line in the sand and the individual isn’t always going to be able to decide where that line is. i.e. Being nineteen, able to die for your country but not being able to buy a beer in a bar.
I think Pook thinks he is more open because he says we should be able to do what we want but when it comes down to it he has limits just like everyone else. His are just different. Because we are a flawed people we will always need laws to restrict our behavior. Someday that problem will be solved for many of us. Sadly those who don't figure it out in this lifetime will never get the chance to see what true freedom is all about.
ReplyDeleteOne problem I have is the age of consent. I know 50 year olds that don't act like adults and 15 year olds that are wiser than their parents.
No …I'm reasonable. For example: I'm a card carrying member of the NRA. (Shocking right?) I’m all for the rights the right to bar arms, but I understand that we have too have limits! My right to bare arms does not give me the right to own a RPG launcher, landmines, Stinger Missiles and some could say having a nuclear weapons is okay under the 2nd amendment. Yes this is a free country, but common scene still dictates that you have to have some limits. You can spin the state thing and Nazi party thing, and any other thing you want. But we all understand that even in a free civilization you must have limits. Now I bring states right person, but with that said the Federal government also needs to set limits. How those limits are enforces and created is the big question. The great thing about it is that if you don’t agree with the rules you can always vote for a new state and Federal government.
ReplyDeleteI want a free country to do what you want, but I also still understand that you must have limits.
Believe me I would love to shoot a RPG or have an auto .308 when I’m hunting for deer, coyote, or turkey. But we should never be allowed to go to Wal-Mart to by a RPG.
So spin away.
Note:
- I picked 19 years old because there are some 18 year olds are still in high school. Most 19 year old are out of high school.(unless you count the south)
- And setting limits on age doesn’t hurt anyone. We’ve been fine with age limits on beer, driving, smokes, age to drop out of school, working age, bla, bla, bla. But the post was about married and I still don’t think I’ve seen a post on how gay marriage would physical hurt you?
- You talk about a truly free country “this lifetime will never get the chance to see what true freedom is all about.”. Then why not let a two women get married. How is that going to hurt you?
Spin away
Let's get back to marriage then. Suppose in your heart of hearts you object to gay marriages on religious grounds. If you own a appartment complex, you wouldn't be allowed to not rent to a gay couple. Where does your religious right end and their marriage rights begin.
ReplyDeleteWould you tell a Islamic land owner that he had to rent his land to pig farmers?
Would you tell a Orthodox Jew that he had to rent his building to the KKK?
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ReplyDeleteHow does renting private property have anything to do with to adults getting married? (Keyword Private)
ReplyDeleteI see what you’re trying to say, but in both case its private property and you can do what you want with it.
Just like the guy in some restaurant that put a sign saying “Must order in English” (or something like that)
However, I do see the discrimination part. It’s a fine line when it comes to discrimination, because I wouldn’t want an apartment complex decimating against someone with down-syndrome, or a blind person.
So in your world an apartment complex wouldn’t rent to divorced adults or single mothers. Correct?
I understand the “in your heart of hearts” part. But why does your “heart of hearts” have to be pushed onto other people lives. Doesn’t religion teach to be tolerant of others?
Also… under that logic.
ReplyDeleteIn my heart I believe in a higher power. So anyone that doesn’t believe in a higher power shouldn’t be allowed to get married. Let pass that law. Right?
"I see what you’re trying to say, but in both case its private property and you can do what you want with it."
ReplyDeleteI agree with this concept but in fact it is incorrect. Ask any farmer or land developer what happens when some obscure endangered bug or rat is found to live on their "private" property.
If you own a house or fourplex, it is still private property. If you are Jewish, you can be made to rent it to members of the KKK. If you are Muslim, you could be made to rent commercial property to a BBQ pork business. If you are a Christian, you could be made to rent to a gay couple. Under the law now, you might be able to say no as it is a single family dwelling and two men or women who are not siblings aren't a family. With gay marriage, they would become a "family".
For a large majority of the people this isn't a problem because all they are worried about is making a buck.
I'm willing to not push my "heart of hearts" upon the gays if they don't push me to accept them and insist and renting my private property house, apartment or commercial building. The problem is that legalizing gay marriage gives them the right to do just that.
I sure if anyone was against having them live in the complex, they would find a way to say no. I recall in the past (I was not alive) when in the south a black man couldn't married a white women. This is the same thing in my mind. (I know it's not)
ReplyDeleteIn the end if you would rent that complex to a gay couple, what would happen to you. Will you fall ill? Will you have to go to the hospital? Will you go bankrupt? Will house burn down, from a bolt of lighting? Will god not love you since you are helping a gay couple?
What physical harm is it costing you?
"I sure if anyone was against having them live in the complex, they would find a way to say no."
ReplyDeleteTell that to the photographer who tried to say no to taking gay couples commitment pictures. He was sued and lost a great deal of money even though there were plenty of other photographers who would have taken the pictures with no problems.
Can you imagine the stress it would cause for a Jewish landlord, someone who lost relative in the Holocost, to be force to rent space to the KKK. Can you imagine a devote Muslim being told that he had to rent his building to a BBQ pork cafe?
Have you read about the damage that stress does to the body? To go against your conscience causes a great deal of interanl stress.
If there were a landlord who refused to rent to a gay couple, they would be lining up in mass to be able to sue the person. Many gays are for acceptance unless it means accepting traditional Christian values.
If the photographer was dump enough to tell the couple “NO” because they were gay... then the dumb a$$ get what he diverse.
ReplyDeleteIf I was a bigot and didn't want to rent to an African American. I would never tell them it was because of their race. (HELLO)
We can agree to disagree. But that is what I love about this country.
We all can vote for the way we want our laws to be. If my state had a vote on the subject, I would for the freedom for everyone to find love, and be happy. (AKA I would vote for gay married)
As far as the physical harm question. Okay I’ll give you the internal stress point. Even if it’s (my option only) it’s a lame answer. But stress can be a bitch on the body.
"Even if it’s (my option only) it’s a lame answer."
ReplyDeleteTell that to those people and companies that have been sued and paid out big buck for emotional distress.
All lawyers suck! Emotional distress is a lame reason to sue for. Wait I'm feeling emotional distress now just thinking about it. Maybe I can sue Google (since they own blogspot.com.. i think) for my emotional distress. Or maybe I can just get a backbone and suck it up.
ReplyDeleteThis goes for both side of everything... Your not going to agree with everyone in life.. suck it up and stop crying like a 2 year old. That goes for the black community, gay community, Bible beaters, left-wing community, right wing and so on.
To many people in this world care to much about what other people think, and what other people are doing. More people just need to mind their own business and try and live happy lives with out caring what other people think of them and what other people are doing. This way straight people can work on not having a over 50% divorce rate, and lawyers start working a burger king.
Pook,
ReplyDeleteWho cares why the photographer didn't want to take their picture. It's just like the doctors who don't want to perform abortions, or the pharmacists who don't want to fill the day after pill. Religious beliefs are very important to many, and they shouldn't be punished for that. The problem with today’s world is that you have to conform to everybody's beliefs but your own (if you're a Christian.) The Obama administration was trying to make it mandatory that doctors perform abortions. Why can't you just find a different doctor? Why can't you find a different photographer?
Why do you feel this dumb a$$ has to pay for what he disserves? You stated that people need to "suck it up" but yet you're stating that he is getting what he disserves. This seems to be like your other arguments...all over the board. Just admit that you have no real true convictions and that you will sway like a tree in the wind. Some new idea comes along and you'll jump on board with that. Like why does high school mean you’re an adult? I graduated high school when I was 16, does this mean I was an adult then, or do I have to wait until everyone else is out of high school? Why aren’t college age kids considered minors? What is the difference between a college age kid and a high school age kid? One year?
This whole post started with a joke (in my opinion) about people wanting to marry objects because they’re in love with them. Well, with your quote that you would vote for people to find love and be happy, I assume you agree with this. Man, how does the estate of your dead spouse work if you're married to an object?
One:
ReplyDelete"The Obama administration was trying to make it mandatory that doctors perform abortions"
Please should me the documentation, or bill on this. I would like to see really proof of this. Show me the Bill please
"Why can't you just find a different doctor" - - Agree with that 100%
Two:
"Just admit that you have no real true convictions and that you will sway like a tree in the wind"
- I have convictions, but I don't push them on to other people. (in this case) Yes it true I ready don't care if gay married is legal or not. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't have convictions, they are just different then yours. That's like me saying just because your against gay married you’re bigot, or that your Homophobic. Now I know that's not true.
Three:
"Like why does high school mean you’re an adult?"
- I just pick 19 for legal age. No big almighty reason. I would but open to any point of view on this. You have to have a starting point, and I don't want to be responsible for my child forever. I have a bass boat, corvette z06, and I'll need to pay for my hair plugs by then I'm sure.
To: looking out for 2 girls
ReplyDelete"Some new idea comes along and you'll jump on board with that"
- We have had talk for years about heathcare, and I think I've always been on the same page for the last couple of years.
- I've never said in my life that I was against gay married. Maybe that I think it's crap.. But not against it
So you known me for years... what bandwagon have I jumped on??
"Obama to Allow Forcing Doctors to Do Abortions, Says the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons"
ReplyDeleteTUCSON, Ariz., March 6, 2009 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ --
Today the Obama Administration published a proposed regulation to repeal the Provider Conscience Rule, which protects medical caregivers against being forced to do procedures contrary to their conscience.
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/obama-allow-forcing-doctors-do/story.aspx?guid=%7B14141FF9-8D84-45A9-A67D-B66B972E7CB8%7D
1) First off I don't think the government should be forcing any doctor to do anything.(unless your taking money from them)
ReplyDelete- So let's be really.. No spin. I don't think any doctor would be force to give an abortion. You would need to see a specialist for that. Just like the government can't force a dentist to operate on you heart, or force a foot doctor to work on your brain. And if you’re a doctor that has trained in those steps/procedures for that medial process, then I'm thinking you don't have a moral issue with it.
2) Conscience Clause regulations were enacted under the Bush Administration.(per site) So it's not like it's something that's been around for 30-40 years. What did we do before bush took office??? (still looking)
3) Funny I was trying to read the Proposed Rule, but for some reason the link is dead now. Funny how that works.
http://www.federalregister.gov/OFRUpload/OFRData/2009-05067_PI.pdf.
4) The rule change has more to do with stem cell treatments them forcing doctor to give adoration from what I'm reading. So take adoration out if it, since that is kinda a stretch in this case but does have merit. Doctors take an oath to save lives. If you don't agree with the drug, or method to save that life, then get a new job, or start a private practice. Then let you clients know what you won't do when they come see ya at your private practice.
1) First off I don't think the government should be forcing any doctor to do anything.(unless your taking money from them).
ReplyDeleteI think that you would be had pressed to find a doctor that doesn’t take Medicare or Medicaid money from the government. I believe that it’s required by law to get their license to practice medicine.
Just like the government can't force a dentist to operate on you heart, or force a foot doctor to work on your brain. Of course they aren’t talking about dentists doing abortions.
They are talking about OB/GYN who studied to deliver babies, not kill them. They are talking about nurses and other operating room assistants who believe the oath, “to do no harm” when they took it.
What did we do before bush took office???
Just as with the gay couple that sued the photographer, the abortion groups hadn’t been so bold as to demand someone to go against what they believed. There is a problem that wasn’t mentioned in the article. Many doctors who used to perform abortion who have had a change of mind after new medical data and in the womb operations. Many don’t want to do abortions now.
Doctors take an oath to save lives. If you don't agree with the drug, or method to save that life, then get a new job, or start a private practice. Then let you clients know what you won't do when they come see ya at your private practice.
Now I’m wondering how old you are. Surely you have had enough life experiences not to be that naive. Doctors (OB/GYN) can’t set up private practices without being under the control of the government. They have to be licensed and that means following government regulations.
That is why Bush’s Provider Conscience Rule was so important. Just as the photographer was sued for not taking the gay commitment pictures, a doctor (OB/GYN) could be sued for not providing an abortion. Nurses could be fired for not assisting with one. A doctor can lose his license to practice for not paying his child support. Do you think that refusal to perform an abortion would be any difference without protection?
I can see the merit of having that in place "The Conscience Rule" I guess I would have to see how it is implemented and a case of how they "Force" someone to do something. But I can say it sounds like a common scene rule to have in place. Not sure why it would be removed.
ReplyDeleteFunny left wants the freedom for men/women to marry who they want, but they don't want doctors to have the freedom do what they want. Got to love politics =)
"Now I’m wondering how old you are. Surely you have had enough life experiences not to be that naive"
- I'm not in the medical field so why would I know laws surrounding that. That like me asking your how to covert Divx format into MKV format on a PC. Or like what the approved DOD encryption rate is and how that key is store in virtual memory. It not your job field. (not sure what you do)
"A doctor can lose his license to practice for not paying his child support"
- Good! If you choose to have sex, then you choose to be a potential father/mother. If you don't pay then your a low life and you don't deserve protection. As you can see I have no love for people that are not good parents.
Note: I'm 31. Generation X/Y/P/Q/?? (not sure what I am ) Rules! Don't trust anyone over 40!
Pook, I didn't mean to ruffle your feather with the naive statement. I'm not in the medical field either. I have never had to pay court ordered child support as my baby's mother is still my wife.
ReplyDeleteThat is what I meant by life experiences. Having gone through, or know people who have gone through, or read the paper or net, you gain life experience.
Naive doesn't mean dumb just as ignorant doesn't mean stupid, it just means uninformed on the subject matter.
It should be obvious by your field of work that you are no dummy. But them, don't believe me, I'm over 40.
I not ruffed. You did have a point. And I did agree with ya, but what fun is that to agree. Just ask "looking out for 2 girls" I made him go home from work once because I ruffed his feather to much. I agreed with him, but it was more fun watching his face turn red!!!!!
ReplyDeleteBut for really I agree with you guys most of the time.(more the I say) I just think things like this are not a big deal. We have bigger problem in this world the gay married. Like the fact that china is becoming a super power, Russia is coming back, and banking system problem. Social issues should be a state by state thing to me.
Pook,
ReplyDeleteMy issue with the convictions comment is that it doesn't seem like there is anything you would fight for. It also seems like you’re all over the board on some issues (now, that may be a problem with conversations on a blog and not in person.)
You state on one hand that the government should have stepped in to stop the selfishness and greed of Maddoff and of the drug companies, but you have also stated that you wouldn't mind higher taxes as long as they don't affect you. Sounds pretty selfish to me.
You state that the photographer got what he disserved with a lawsuit for not photographing the gay couple...but yet you feel people should be able to do what they want. There was also a case about a fertility doctor who was sued because he wouldn’t help a single woman with no husband.
Those are the two examples I come up with off the top of my head. My problem is you don't want to impose your views on others (fine) but in the mean time, the others are imposing their views on you.
The attempt to take "God" out of the pledge is an example. The legalizing of gay marriage. The forcing of docs to perform abortions. The list can go on and on.
If the majority of the people keep their mouth shut and think it's no big deal, what happens to society? I think we can look back through history and see what happens when morality is thrown out the window. Social issues may not be a top concern of yours…and not of mine either. I feel there are more important things we have to worry about right now, but that does not mean they are not important.
I was a little fired up when I posted yesterday after I heard that Obama is leaving open the option to prosecute Bush officials for their role in “torture”. That just pissed me off and I had to go crazy on the blog…and you took the brunt of it.
We can agree to disagree, but I hope you open your eyes to see what can happen if we toss all morality down the drain.
“You state on one hand that the government should have stepped in to stop the selfishness and greed of Maddoff and of the drug companies, but you have also stated that you wouldn't mind higher taxes as long as they don't affect you. Sounds pretty selfish to me”
ReplyDelete- Agree it is selfish. But I don’t think the tax rate that we had in the 90% was unfair. And that is what the current administration is asking to do. Now with that said, if that rate would change beyond that like they are doing in UK then I would have a problem. But I would happily to pay the tax rate I paid in the 90’s.
“You state that the photographer got what he disserved with a lawsuit for not photographing the gay couple...but yet you feel people should be able to do what they want”
- What I meant was if he was dumb enough to tell the true then you get what you get. It’s a fine line. Unfortunately I know one person (that I try not to talk to, but sometime can’t help it) that if he had his way, black people would not be allowed in or on his job site. Now in his “heart of heart” he believes that black people are lower life forms and that God made it that way. Now, he is died wrong, and he is a true bigot. .But if we didn’t have laws to stop bigots like him we would still have restrooms for “colored” people. So it’s a fine line.
- With that said… is there a different between a skim head and a someone that is against gay marriage. Just a fun topic question.
“There was also a case about a fertility doctor who was sued because he wouldn’t help a single woman with no husband.”
- That a hard one. If you offer a service you shouldn’t discriminate. But HELLO can you say OCTMOM! But that brings us back to the blood sucking lawyers!
“I hope you open your eyes to see what can happen if we toss all morality down the drain.”
- And I hope you open your eyes to the fact that morality will not go down the drain when gay marriage is legalized. =)~
It's not just gay marriage Pook...I listed the other examples, this is just one of many. We've started down a scary path.
ReplyDelete"If you offer a service you shouldn't discriminate." Here's my point on you're all over the board. This is no different than an OB/GYN being forced to perform abortions. They offer a service, so they shouldn't discriminate against what they feel is right. What's the difference between the fertility doctor who doesn't feel raising a child without a husband is right, and an OB/GYN that feels that abortions are wrong?
And your question about the difference between a skin head and someone who feels gay marriage is wrong...it depends on why you feel gay marriage is wrong. If you think it's wrong because gays are a lower class of people, than I would say there is no difference.
If you think gay marriage is wrong for religious beliefs, or maybe that their marriage isn't as beneficial to society as a straight marriage, than there is a ton of difference. At that point, you have a problem with the act, not the person.
Wow, 40 comments, this has to be the most commented thread at this point! I just meant it to be a joke too!
ReplyDelete"If you think gay marriage is wrong for religious beliefs, or maybe that their marriage isn't as beneficial to society as a straight marriage, than there is a ton of difference. At that point, you have a problem with the act, not the person."
ReplyDelete- So discrimination is okay, as long as it rooted in religious beliefs?? That is what I'm hearing
"If you offer a service you shouldn't discriminate." Here's my point on you're all over the board."
ReplyDelete- I'll agree I'm kinda all over the board on this. But I don't see the subject in black and white. So it's hard for me to explain in words what I'm thinking so I'll try and make it simple.
Discrimination in any form (religious or not) is WRONG, no matter what the root of it is. That's my point.
“Discrimination in any form (religious or not) is WRONG, no matter what the root of it is. That's my point.”
ReplyDeleteDiscrimination is a part of every day life. You drive a Ford or a Chevy. You preferred one over the other, you discriminate. If enough people discriminate, the other company goes out of business and people loose their jobs.
My point is who determines that it is wrong? If it isn’t religious belief, is it Supreme Court ruling? If it isn’t Supreme Court ruling is it laws passed by Congress? If not laws passed by congress is it the state legislatures? If not the state government is it the individual family’s value? If not the family’s value does each person have the right to decide what is right or wrong?
The God of the Bible has been pretty solid in what He has said over the centuries. How people have understood what was said is what has changed. The Supreme Court is made up of nine humans that may rule what’s wrong one way today and be reversed next year by another ruling. Congress and state legislatures pass laws all of the time as to what is right and wrong only to be turned over by the courts. The extended family may have values that it enforces within the wall of the home but once outside, the individual can pick and choose what he thinks is right or wrong. If we have six billion people in the world, can there truly be six billion views of what right and wrong is?
So Pook, in your view, are you the final authority on what’s right or wrong? If so, that’s a mighty heavy burden to carry
"Discrimination is a part of every day life. You drive a Ford or a Chevy"
ReplyDelete- Really? That's what you got? We're talking about humans not inanimate object. I hope you have had enough life bla bla bla...(lol) to understand that a living human is not the same as an inanimate object. That type of Discrimination is a total difference subject. Plus everyone knows that FORD is Superior and chevy owners just a lower life forms!
"My point is who determines that it is wrong?"
I understand what your saying about government and all that. It does have good merit but not everyone thinks the bible is the end-all(final authority). That is why this country is great. I vote for my view point by picking state senators, Mayors, US senators, US house, and bla, bla, bla.
If you want your county to have law X, Y or Z then vote for it. And as far as the courts. If I recall right, the president does pick the federal judges. So your really picking them too by voting for your choose of president. And in my state we do get to vote on local judges.
If you think the bible is the final authority, then you vote for the person you think will follow that.
April 16, 2009 11:42 AM Pook said “I really don't think anyone should have the moral authority to tell me what to do, or not do.”
ReplyDelete“If you want your county to have law X, Y or Z then vote for it.”
Pook seems to be saying that individual citizens have the right to decide what is right or wrong. When enough individuals that believe the same things can come together and elect government officials, they can have laws passed that agree with their view of right or wrong. Then the government will have the moral authority to tell others what is right or wrong.
Then members of that group of individuals can sit back and say, I don’t think anyone should have the moral authority to tell others what to do. I’m not telling you to do what the politicians that our group of citizens elected decided you have to do, the politicians are. That way no one in the group that elected the politicians has to accept any of the responsibility for someone else’s rights being infringed upon.
Either by expressing your opinion or electing politicians who agree with your opinion and pass laws to go along with them, you are claiming moral authority and forcing your views on anyone who disagrees with you. It’s easier to listen to someone’s opinion that you disagree with and walk away than it is to have a law passed that you disagree with and try to live your life by your beliefs anyway.
Does that make any sense?
Well put, that does make good scene and I agree. But that is the form of government we have. It just like when the US had prohibition, just like when bush band stem cells, and when bla, bla, bla.
ReplyDeleteOne group is always trying to force their point of view onto others. I never said it was a perfect system but it's one of the best forms of government in the world.
We vote for elected officials and that is the system that has been in place from the start. Look at it this way, you could live in Cuba, Venezuela or Russia where they change the laws for the elected officials can never be voted out. Any law pass can always be "un" passed.
Huh?! You just agreed with a statement that you have been disagreeing with the whole time, that no one should be able to tell another what to do unless it physically hurts them.
ReplyDeleteP.S. Bush's ban on stem cell research was for government funded studies. There is plenty of private stem cell research going on.
my bad.. I meant I agree that it makes good scene.
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