The US currently has 50,000 auto deaths due to drunk driving. If we legalize pot, down the road will we add another 50,000 due to driving under the influence of pot?
My stats were a little off as deaths have been dropping in recent years. This link is to MADD. there were 41,059 total highway deaths in 2007 and 12,998 were alcohol related. Your figure of 15,000 for 2005 might be the ones that were alcohol related for 2005.
So let me restate my question, do we want 12,998 due to driving under the influence of Pot?
I guess if the criteria of what we do and don't allow would be trafiic deaths than the answer would be no. But if that's the case shouldn't we outlaw alcohol, texting, eating and all the other things that cause accidents?
Question again is, is pot more dangerous than alcohol? If not why is it not legal and alcohol is?
Beer may be the gateway drink to whiskey and Pot may be the gateway drug to narcotics. Pot isn’t harmless as it can cause chromosome problems and other lasting effect. When you smoke pot you take in and hold the smoke. That results in you receiving a heavier dose of the other elements in the toke. Once you have smoked pot for a while it isn’t unusual to spike with other drugs to get a quicker and higher high.
Is it more dangerous than alcohol, I don’t know for 100% sure? I do know that if you have read the evidence against pot use and disbelieve it you are the same as the people in the 60s and 70s who read the warning about tobacco use and didn’t believe it. A lot of them people are either dead or on respirators now. They didn’t want to believe it about cigarettes because they were users. Most people that don’t believe the reports about the dangers of pot use are using pot want to use pot or know someone who uses pot and doesn’t want to make a value statement against a friend or family member.
To say that no drive when they smoke pot never watched a Cheech and Chong movie. That’s like saying that no one drinks and drives. All they want to do is have a few brews and watch the game. With Alcohol and pot, the goal is to alter your state of mind for as long as a period of time as you can. Once altered, you have less of a capacity to drive and more likely to drive yourself home (or to the Quickie Mart for some snacks).
Legalize it and go after the tax money? Why stop with pot? Let’s go with prostitution. Why stop with prostitution? Let’s go with opium dens. Why stop with the lottery? Why stop with gambling in casinos, lets go with sports betting at local betting parlors. Why stop with boxing? Let’s go with ultimate fighting. Why stop with ultimate fighting go with death matches. Think of all of the tax dollars you could raise in a building offering prostitutes, drugs, wide open gambling with physical sporting matches where one of the contestants has a chance of ending up dead.
So you see the absurdity of not drawing a line in the sand and saying this far and no further. Each generation has to decide where that line is going to be. That decision shouldn’t be made on false, misleading or uninformed information or to give the government more money to spend.
“Is it more dangerous than alcohol, I don’t know for 100% sure? “ - I'm guessing you never smoke it before. If not, they you really don’t know what your taking about. - I hate the gateway way drug thing. That is the dumbest argument ever. You can call everything in life a gateway “Drug”. Billy is fat because Burger King was his gateway drug. - We trust people to drink responsible. Yes some don’t and that is why we have laws to punish them. Pot should be the same way.
“Why stop with pot? Let’s go with prostitution”
- Fun you say that. Why not? I’m for it. It ‘s worked out fine for the “Bunny ranch” - Yes I know it’s not moral, but I’m not in the business of pushing my moral belief down other people throat.
I might not agree with most of the above, and would never do them myself, but we all have free will. If someone wants to do that then let them. Who are we to say “NO DON”T DO THAT, IT”S NOT MORALE”. So once again…. I’m not in the business of pushing my morale belief down other people throat.
By saying "I’m not in the business of pushing my morale belief down other people throat." twice in such a short post your are doing just that. You are making a value judgement that people who do so are wrong.
Where do you draw the line in the sand and on what basis do you make any value judgements. Is the line based on what you feel and think? Then that makes you the supreme being in your own universe.
Why not one man and two women or two woman and one man to make a marriage? Why not mothers and fathers having sex with their children? Why can't a brother marry his sister if they love each other.
Prostitution? Why not? I’m for it. It ‘s worked out fine for the “Bunny ranch” It is a liberal falsehood that no harm comes from legalized prostution. How would you feel if your wife or girlfriend stopped by for a quickie while you were out of town because she got lonely. Would you make a value judgement that only single men and women could visit the ranch?
For every "clean" ranch, you have thousands of women selling themself on street corners and in dingy back rooms. Legalization wouldn't make that go away.
You seemed to have drawn a line at hard drugs and sporting event that lead to death matches. Why?
The US currently has 50,000 auto deaths due to drunk driving. If we legalize pot, down the road will we add another 50,000 due to driving under the influence of pot?
ReplyDeleteGrouchy, where did you get your numbers. The last numbers I found were for 2005 and were closer to 15,000.
ReplyDeletehttp://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811016.PDF
ReplyDeleteMy stats were a little off as deaths have been dropping in recent years. This link is to MADD. there were 41,059 total highway deaths in 2007 and 12,998 were alcohol related. Your figure of 15,000 for 2005 might be the ones that were alcohol related for 2005.
So let me restate my question, do we want 12,998 due to driving under the influence of Pot?
I guess if the criteria of what we do and don't allow would be trafiic deaths than the answer would be no. But if that's the case shouldn't we outlaw alcohol, texting, eating and all the other things that cause accidents?
ReplyDeleteQuestion again is, is pot more dangerous than alcohol? If not why is it not legal and alcohol is?
Question again is, is pot more dangerous than alcohol? (NO NO NO )
ReplyDeleteIf not why is it not legal and alcohol is? (No Idea)
Any everyone knows no one drives when smoking pot... you only have the want to eat chips while sitting on the cough.
Legalize it and TAX it. Go revenue for farmers with bad farm land.
Beer may be the gateway drink to whiskey and Pot may be the gateway drug to narcotics. Pot isn’t harmless as it can cause chromosome problems and other lasting effect. When you smoke pot you take in and hold the smoke. That results in you receiving a heavier dose of the other elements in the toke. Once you have smoked pot for a while it isn’t unusual to spike with other drugs to get a quicker and higher high.
ReplyDeleteIs it more dangerous than alcohol, I don’t know for 100% sure? I do know that if you have read the evidence against pot use and disbelieve it you are the same as the people in the 60s and 70s who read the warning about tobacco use and didn’t believe it. A lot of them people are either dead or on respirators now. They didn’t want to believe it about cigarettes because they were users. Most people that don’t believe the reports about the dangers of pot use are using pot want to use pot or know someone who uses pot and doesn’t want to make a value statement against a friend or family member.
To say that no drive when they smoke pot never watched a Cheech and Chong movie. That’s like saying that no one drinks and drives. All they want to do is have a few brews and watch the game. With Alcohol and pot, the goal is to alter your state of mind for as long as a period of time as you can. Once altered, you have less of a capacity to drive and more likely to drive yourself home (or to the Quickie Mart for some snacks).
Legalize it and go after the tax money? Why stop with pot? Let’s go with prostitution. Why stop with prostitution? Let’s go with opium dens. Why stop with the lottery? Why stop with gambling in casinos, lets go with sports betting at local betting parlors. Why stop with boxing? Let’s go with ultimate fighting. Why stop with ultimate fighting go with death matches. Think of all of the tax dollars you could raise in a building offering prostitutes, drugs, wide open gambling with physical sporting matches where one of the contestants has a chance of ending up dead.
So you see the absurdity of not drawing a line in the sand and saying this far and no further. Each generation has to decide where that line is going to be. That decision shouldn’t be made on false, misleading or uninformed information or to give the government more money to spend.
“Is it more dangerous than alcohol, I don’t know for 100% sure? “
ReplyDelete- I'm guessing you never smoke it before. If not, they you really don’t know what your taking about.
- I hate the gateway way drug thing. That is the dumbest argument ever. You can call everything in life a gateway “Drug”. Billy is fat because Burger King was his gateway drug.
- We trust people to drink responsible. Yes some don’t and that is why we have laws to punish them. Pot should be the same way.
“Why stop with pot? Let’s go with prostitution”
- Fun you say that. Why not? I’m for it. It ‘s worked out fine for the “Bunny ranch”
- Yes I know it’s not moral, but I’m not in the business of pushing my moral belief down other people throat.
I might not agree with most of the above, and would never do them myself, but we all have free will. If someone wants to do that then let them. Who are we to say “NO DON”T DO THAT, IT”S NOT MORALE”. So once again…. I’m not in the business of pushing my morale belief down other people throat.
Pook, Pook, Pook
ReplyDeleteBy saying "I’m not in the business of pushing my morale belief down other people throat." twice in such a short post your are doing just that. You are making a value judgement that people who do so are wrong.
Where do you draw the line in the sand and on what basis do you make any value judgements. Is the line based on what you feel and think? Then that makes you the supreme being in your own universe.
Why not one man and two women or two woman and one man to make a marriage? Why not mothers and fathers having sex with their children? Why can't a brother marry his sister if they love each other.
Prostitution? Why not? I’m for it. It ‘s worked out fine for the “Bunny ranch” It is a liberal falsehood that no harm comes from legalized prostution. How would you feel if your wife or girlfriend stopped by for a quickie while you were out of town because she got lonely. Would you make a value judgement that only single men and women could visit the ranch?
For every "clean" ranch, you have thousands of women selling themself on street corners and in dingy back rooms. Legalization wouldn't make that go away.
You seemed to have drawn a line at hard drugs and sporting event that lead to death matches. Why?